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Post by TheFrazzledKid on Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:50 am

So, first time building a gaming PC ~
Looking through parts, and I'd like a general opinion on the following:

Processor
Intel® Core™ i7 3930K Processor (6x
3.20GHz/12MB L3 Cache)




Processor Cooling
Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-2011] - Standard 120mm Fan



Memory
16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module -
Corsair or Major Brand





Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 - 2GB - Single
Card

Video Card Brand
Major Brand Powered by AMD or
NVIDIA





Motherboard
[3-Way SLI] Gigabyte X79-UD3 -- 4x PCI-E x16,
6x SATA 6Gb/s, On-Board Bluetooth



Power Supply
700 Watt -- Standard




Primary Hard Drive
120 GB Kingston HyperX
SSD - Single Drive





Data Hard Drive
None



Optical Drive
24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW
Drive - Black





2nd Optical Drive
None



Flash Media Reader / Writer
12-In-1 Internal Flash
Media Card Reader/Writer - Black





Meter Display
None



USB Expansion

NZXT Bunker 5.25" USB
Locking Device (4 x Ports)





Sound Card

3D Premium Surround Sound
Onboard



Network Card
Onboard LAN Network (Gb or
10/100)

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Kairus on Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:28 pm

You have no idea how much that configuration turns me on. Looking like a fantastic computer that should run everything perfectly for about 5 or so years. I would recommend an external also :)

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by TheFrazzledKid on Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:37 pm

What about this?

Memory: 12GB (2X4GB/2X2GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz Memory
Hard drive: 2TB (1TBx2) SATA RAID 0 (Data Striping)
Optical Drive: Single Drive:16X DVD+/-RW with Dual Layer Write
Video card: AMD Radeon™ HD 6870 1GB (DVIx2/HDMI/mDPx2)
Sound card: Creative PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi™ Titanium

How bad is this, compared to the above?

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Kairus on Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:04 pm

About 75% in my opinion. But it will be about half the price.

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Joccaren on Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:26 pm

Well, it'll depend on what you're planning on using the PC for.

If purely gaming, you could save money by not getting the 3930, it is overkill and almost no games will actually utilise all 6 cores (Skyrim focuses on only 2 cores from memory, might be wrong). A more cost efficient choice would be something like the 2600K. If you are planning on doing some intensive multitasking (Like I did on my laptop until I [think] burned out the CPU some: D&D Online, WC3, WC3 Map editor, 10 Internet explorer tabs, 2 Microsoft office word documents, a notepad document, google talk, Skype, and 3 'My Computer' directory windows open) or some heavy video/music editing, the 3930K would be a better choice. If simply gaming though, you can save money and get basically the same performance with a 2600K (2600K is around $300 cheaper after a quick check with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] [Our version of Newegg so to speak. Not quite the same, but it'll give you pricings without you having to hunt them down].

If you do decide to get the 2600K instead, you'll also need a different motherboard. An Asus P8P67 would be a good one. basically made for the 2600K IMO, with OC programs and all coming with [If you want to try and beat my 5.3Ghz, go ahead. Warning: You may destroy your CPU]. It is dual channel with its RAM, so the 4 sticks you have will work nicely with it. Otherwise the X79-UD3 seems like an alright motherboard for the 3930K.

Graphics card I'd look into the 560Ti 2Gbs. The 560 normal is generally between 4% and 10% slower (Dependent on who you ask) than the 560Ti, and the Ti overclocks very well (Though to get much more out of it, you'll be looking at some dedicated Graphics liquid cooling). Unfortunately the price difference over here can range from $50 to $70 in difference, and its up to you if you want those 10% extra FPS (My FPS in BF3 with 2 560Ti 2GBs in SLI is about 80. In Minecraft it is 24 [I'm running the GLSL shaders with all bar Cel shading active, give me a break. That means I'm running
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Ambient Occlusion, Bump and Specular Mapping for a 256 texture pack, Dynamic Shadows, World Curvature, Bloom, God rays [There was a technical name for them, I've forgotten it], cross processing, waving grass/wheat/leaves/plants/water/lava, and Depth of Field with High Quality Blur.
With the poor optimisation of both MC and the mod, its understandable that I get 24 FPS. It looks epic though.
Gainway is a good producer to get the cards off (Nvidia designs them, Gainway makes them. Specifically tweaked for overclocking). Please not though, you'll want some good case cooling.

For the processor cooling, I'm uncertain as to what you have said. You state liquid cooling, but also stock fan. Personally, I'd drop the stock fan and grab a corsair H60 (Or H70/H80, dependent on best price efficiency ATM). Will run a 2600K on 16 Celsius when idle, and 24 Celsius when idle at 4.8Ghz. At 5.3 Ghz Idle, it hits about 28, but don't run anything CPU intensive. I made the mistake of putting PhysX processing onto my CPU, whilst running BF3, and clocked it to 5.3Ghz. Over 140 Celcius in under a second then crash. Deleted profile and moved on. Do not run CPU intensive programs without adequate cooling on an overclocked CPU. Pro Tip.

The RAM sounds good, and should work well.

Power supply will be fine, mine ran a similar rig with only 500W

I'd personally get a larger HD, unless the 120Gb is only the SSD [In which case that's a pretty nice SSD]. I personally would get at least a Terrabyte, but its not really required and 500Gb will index faster and still hold most of what you want for a while. Sadly, I've filled up my 520Gb now and am using a USB 2Tb drive until I get a good SSD and Primary HD with over 1Tb of storage. That or I get two 500Gb drives and put them in RAID.

CD drive should be fine. If you think you'll get some use out of a bluray drive, its something to consider, but personally just a simple CD/DVD drive is far better (especially cost efficiency), so you should be good.

Two things I don't see listed are the case you will be using, nor the cooling you will have with that case. Two somewhat important issues. You could get all this in a half tower, and get away fine with just two fans (I'm running an extra graphics card and an OC CPU in a half tower with 2 fans, it just hits 65 Celcius on the motherboard sometimes [When under full stress]) If you want to put some money into a nice case and some good cooling, the HAF X is a pretty nice case you can get for a bit under $180 around here (StaticIce ftw), and it comes with some pretty reasonable cooling. Only thing is its a full tower, and thus a bit larger than a half tower and more expensive too. The Bitfenix Chenobi is a pretty cheap and ok half tower you can get around here for about $70. Doesn't come with as good cooling as the HAF X, and Bitfenix Fans focus more on looks than anything else, but it should get the job done too.

Kairus will probably have something to add to all this, as might some others, but basically:
-That rig should work
-You could get a cheaper rig that is slightly less efficient
-You could get a more expensive GPU for a slight framerate increase and better OCing
-It might be a good idea to check what case and whole rig cooling systems (Case Fans, full system liquid cooling) you have.

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The new Rig:
I'd still try for 1600Mhz memory, it will make more difference than 8 to 12Gb will, and if looking for cost cutting you could get only two sticks so a dual channel motherboard won't go single channel due to only 3 sticks (Though you are using 4 there, which would be fine, 2 dual channels and all).
Hard drive looks good.
Video Card is ATI, which I tend not to like. IMO they are the budget card. They perform well, but I've had some issues with them. In particular, they tend to throw fits with the above mentioned GLSL shader mod. They are far cheaper, and sometimes outperform Nvidia cards, so its up to you which one you choose. Though, don't plan on playing something like BF3 at 1080p max settings with a 1Gb card. It tends to use 1.5Gb VRAM on max at that resolution. Most other games though, you'll be fine (Maybe not a Skyrim as heavily modded as my own, but who knows).
Sound Card I personally wouldn't worry a ton about. Inbuilt ones usually work just fine, and I'm still using my one from 6 years ago... or maybe more, I can't remember.

Also, now's as good as ever a time to ask, how's the server going? Or is derpercraft still doing what it does best?
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by TheFrazzledKid on Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:53 pm

Changed some things around, (I'd say it's now at the half way mark between my first, expensive build, and the cheaper one):

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(Also, I probably won't be buying it from the site. Probably will buy each piece separately, and build it myself, cause I'm cheap. :D)

And yes, Derpcraft is still derping.

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Joccaren on Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:02 pm

TheFrazzledKid wrote:(Also, I probably won't be buying it from the site. Probably will buy each piece separately, and build it myself, cause I'm pro. :D)
^^ Fixed to better reflect truth about those who build their own PCs.
Also, could you up the resolution on that image? Can barely read it and I'm not sure if I can get anti-aliasing to go over it and fix it (And if I can I know not how).
And yes, Derpcraft is still derping.
Now this is just getting sad...
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by TheFrazzledKid on Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:16 pm

Case: - Lancool Dragon Lord "Dark Ice" PC-K62 Black
Chassis Clear Window

Power supply: - Thermaltake TR2 Heavy Duty Low Noise
800W

LCD Monitor: - Benq 27" LCD M2700HD Wide 2ms w/ Speakers &
Remote -BONUS HDMI Cable

Motherboard: - ASRock Z68 EXTREME 4 GENERATION3 MB, 4x DDR3,
SLI/XFire, 7.1CH, GbLAN, SATA3, USB3.0

Processor: - 2nd Generation Intel i7-2700K Core i7 QUAD Core
3.5 GHz, LGA1155

CPU: - Thermaltake ISGC 300 Low Noise CPU Fan &
Heatsink (recommended)

Graphics Card: - ATI HD 6970 2 Gig DVI/HDMI/VGA w/ 800w PSU
upgrade

Sound Card: - Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium PCIe,
Dolby Digital Live, Xtreme Fidelity

Hard Disk Drive: - 1 Terrabyte Seagate SATA 3 HDD

Ram - 16 Gigabytes 1600Mhz DDR3 G.Skill/Elixir


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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by mimmyjambo on Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:00 pm

Two things:

Get Crucial RAM. They are literally the world's best RAM manufacturers, they are cheap, and their chips last forever. I've always used my RAM in all of my systems and so has my brother, who is a more "hardcore" gamer (plays CoD, WoW, etc)

Get an NVIDIA GPU. I'm getting the GTX 560 Ti 1GB (2GB is more than I need, want to save money) but I'd recommend at least the 570. Some NVIDIA cards may be more expensive than... that other brand... *pukes* but they're damned worth it.
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Joccaren on Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:08 pm

No no no Reaver, use this nice Utility for RAM. Works well.
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Also, forums, Y U log me out?
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by superscope1 on Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:54 pm

Joccaren wrote:10 Internet explorer tabs
No wonder I can't get shit done at work!

Forums logged me out too buddy.

And I'll be right back, I have to go jizz my pants after reading all that.
I'm back, that was good.

OH HEY, I CAN DOWNLOAD RAM?! *click*

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Kairus on Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:08 am

Same, Raptor or Sealand must have cleared the cookies, I will remove this feature. <3

On a side note, IM.DOWNLOADING.THIS.HERE.RAM!

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by ReceptiveRaptor on Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:07 am

Clearing the Cookies?
Never done that before :P
Like seriously, never even cleared them before, ever.
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by TheFrazzledKid on Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:14 am

Hey, thanks for the free RAM, Jocc.
But, why is my computer calling it Trojan?

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Kairus on Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:42 am

It is just the brand name, don't worry about it. Works fine for me, the whole computer gets to it's tranquil blue display several times faster, it used to take like, 3 months for it to load, but honestly, it is happening after just 5 minutes now! Bliss!

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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by ReceptiveRaptor on Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:08 am

Joccaren wrote:No no no Reaver, use this nice Utility for RAM. Works well.
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Really, download ram?
Are people THAT stupid to try something like that?
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Oddwarf on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:38 pm

ReceptiveRaptor wrote:
Joccaren wrote:No no no Reaver, use this nice Utility for RAM. Works well.
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Really, download ram?
Are people THAT stupid to try something like that?
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Depends if they cared which computer they bought, or if they just bought a middle-priced one at the closes electronics shop.
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Re: Building a Gaming PC

Post by Sealand on Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:20 am

Kairus wrote:Same, Raptor or Sealand must have cleared the cookies, I will remove this feature. <3

On a side note, IM.DOWNLOADING.THIS.HERE.RAM!
Uh, unless I did it accidentally. Nope.

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Post by Kairus on Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:53 am

Well, it doesn't matter, the link has been disabled. : D
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Post by Joccaren on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:22 am

ReceptiveRaptor wrote:
Really, download ram?
Are people THAT stupid to try something like that?
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Some probably are, but there were also some that just downloaded it at school with their IT professor to see what the virus did. Killed the computer apparently. They were lucky the school had a backup of all the files on it (Pff, which school doesn't these days?)
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Post by Kairus on Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:17 am

Most schools are using active directory now anyway, so a virus can't even touch the files. (unless it is smart)

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