Why We Can't Have Nice Things: a Golem's Perspective

My eyes have been opened in a lot of ways since we have gotten this new temporary map. As you all are aware, I have been one of the only people rooting for a new map when 1.8 comes out, for so many reasons. However, after playing on the temporary map for ahwhile, I have realized something: some of the people on this server can be assholes when there is new change brought about.
Now, there can be many reasons for this. Ignorance of the rules of the new temporary map, feeling a new sense of freedom because of the "persimmons" going down (lol), or, as I sort of think, the idea that, without structure, everything falls to shit faster than you can say "butthurt". Seeing as what I think of as the WORST our server has to offer in the last 24 hours alone, I almost feel ashamed with the rudeness and needless hostility between people. When I had decided to run off to make my own house with Blaze, within a half hour of getting things looking really nice, chaos ensued. Coming on earlier this morning, I was hearing news of another griefer/general hoodlum activity on the server. Why can't we all just keep it together and play nice like we always have had?
It is because of the above that I have decided to officially change my attitude toward having a new map. As far as I can see, the people that could handle it don't want to see their stuff disappear, and everyone else just doesn't seem mature enough to keep things cool. Now, I know that things would be different if permissions were up and everything worked, but... some people just can't handle change.

I think some people find that anarchy is do-able in temporary maps because, due to the temporary nature of the map and evertyhing in it, it is considered less consequential.

I'd honestly prefer if people get along..

You should have seen some of our OTHER temp maps... Raptor + TNT = Everything gone.

Anyways, Fae is right. People think "Oh, it's a tempmap, what am I going to get in trouble for?" Kind of thing, and start doing as they please.
The most I've done so far was take a few blocks of cobble from a chest.

We've had a few successful temp maps though. The one that Rusk joined the server for, and the one where Frazz, Bubbles, and I built a little secret base and a lot of casual RP happened.

I'm one of the few people that would be fine with a temp map as well. It's fun starting over in a way, and gives you a lot of fun memories.

I really don't know where I'm going with this... Uhh.. It's a temp map, so it's not "important" so people screw around, but when a real map comes around, (New or Old) I think it will pass.
Yeah, that sounds right.

My point still stands that there would be WAY too much butthurt if we got a new map for it to even be worth thinking about.

A simple "People don't want to see their stuff to disappear" does not cover why we don't want a new map. We don't want to see that much of our lives disappear.
Spend about 10 hours a day for a month building just one thing, one alone, then have someone request that it be destroyed. It isn't a good feeling. I have put that much of my life into this server, I do not want to see it wasted. Losing everything, I would not have the heart to rebuild it.
I am fine if that is what the community on the whole wants, I will just cease to build anything on the server due to lack of motivation and log in occasionally to sort out any disputes however I can.
I also do not understand why people would want a new map. The while "start over fresh" idea kinda gets me a bit - Why? Everyone has a different idea of how to start over, and it would be disappointing for many things didn't go the way they had expected.
The two main ones I have heard is that people want a far more organised system for the world - greater restrictions on where and what to build, some going as far as to say there should only be one town (Which I am firmly against). Others want a new world where they can build without they're creations being compared to the 'giants' of our world at the moment. Both are conflicting views, and either way someone is going to be disappointed.
The new terrain features is the one argument for the new map I've heard that makes any sense, but even that is flawed. Do you value these terrain features above our world and our community? Even still, these terrain features could easily be added in by a dedicated team of builders, which I have already stated I will be a part of if the community wants these terrain features. It may take some time, and a lot of iron to buy the items from the admin shoppe, but we will be able to get the new terrain features put into the world.

As for the temp map issue, this argument has been had time and time again on temp maps: Anarchy or order. Some people need a release from the constant order of the normal map, a time to have senseless fun instead of actually accomplishing something. Others want to accomplish something in the little time they have on the temp map, almost like a challenge of 'what can I do in this limited time?'. I personally tend to feel that those who want order and building should be allowed to have their own safe haven for building, and those who want reckless fun can have their area to screw around in. The 'reckless fun' people cannot interfere with the 'order' people, and vise versa.

Joccaren wrote: some going as far as to say there should only be one town (Which I am firmly against).

I would like to say I more or less revised this statement, for 2-3 towns at most. Because in all honesty, there is only 2-3 REALLY active towns on the server atm. I don't wish to name names, though we can all guess which one is the most active, by far. And from what I've heard a lot of the server members who move over will follow it's leader to make a new town. This is why we have the Town Council now.

I'm not trying to get rid of anyone at all, I just don't want the server riddled with dead or 'dying' towns as it is now.

But that's even if we get a new map, which I doubt we will for a good long while.

Back on topic, no offense Khaddo, and I believe you do realize this, but this server has been up pretty long before you joined. People like Wind, Jocc, Fae, and too many more have essentially put their body and soul into the current map, even into a single town. It is just gunna end up disappointing them, and a lot of our members if we get a new map; some may quit when they realize everything's gone, others will try and trudge through.

Sealand wrote:I don't wish to name names, though we can all guess which one is the most active, by far.

*cough* Pantora *cough*

Sealand wrote:

Joccaren wrote: some going as far as to say there should only be one town (Which I am firmly against).

I would like to say I more or less revised this statement, for 2-3 towns at most. Because in all honesty, there is only 2-3 REALLY active towns on the server atm. I don't wish to name names, though we can all guess which one is the most active, by far. And from what I've heard a lot of the server members who move over will follow it's leader to make a new town. This is why we have the Town Council now.

I'm not trying to get rid of anyone at all, I just don't want the server riddled with dead or 'dying' towns as it is now.

That is agreed. The whole one town thing was a bit over the top, especially when many people would want to live in different themes, which it was suggested became 'districts', which I don't see as being any different to having other towns anyway.
A few Well built, maintained and active towns would be the goal if we ever got a new map, too many towns show up and die before they even get off the ground.
In part I will put that down to the lack of reputation they have compared to the current active ones, but that could be overcome through a lot of hard work.

1.8 will be an interesting time, what happens may end up being different to what any of us expected, so really I say we call it when the time comes. I, however, am firmly against a new map. I guess I'll bring up a comparison here. A while back, a suggestion to move spawn away from Dawnbay was made. Whilst Dawnbay isn't exactly what I'd call active, and not a lot really goes on there too often, it has too many memories, and is a part of this server, thus we did not move spawn and let Dawnbay fade completely into the shadows. This map, like Dawnbay, is, when combined with the people and community, what I consider the server. Moving away from it would be losing part of ourselves and what makes us great. I don't want to see that happen.

Did everyone just miss the part where I said I don't want a new map anymore?

I realized it from a different path. The path of cynicism. But hey, at least I got there

Faelar Laelither wrote:I think some people find that anarchy is do-able in temporary maps

We've talked about this once before.
It's an old thread though :P

Joccaren wrote:\The new terrain features is the one argument for the new map I've heard that makes any sense, but even that is flawed. Do you value these terrain features above our world and our community? Even still, these terrain features could easily be added in by a dedicated team of builders, which I have already stated I will be a part of if the community wants these terrain features. It may take some time, and a lot of iron to buy the items from the admin shoppe, but we will be able to get the new terrain features put into the world.

Answer, Gun, and if that don't work. Use more gun. LOLJKS(One of the things the TF2 Engineer says in Meet the Engineer).

But seriously... There are heaps of unexplored places within -5000 -5000 and 5000 5000 etc. I've seen loads of them(Which I haven't even touched), So there must be way more, you just have to look.